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Old 08-15-2016, 03:41 PM   #1 (permalink)
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For summer flounder, both groups (MAFMC & ASMFC) approved a commercial quota of 5.66 million pounds and a recreational harvest limit of 3.77 million pounds for 2017, an approximate 30% decrease from 2016. This decrease in catch and landings limits responds to the findings of the 2016 stock assessment update, which indicates summer flounder has been experiencing overfishing since 2008. In 2015, fishing mortality exceeded its threshold by 26% (i.e., the level beyond which overfishing is occurring). The 2015 estimate of spawning stock biomass (SSB) is at 58% of the biomass target, and only 16% above the threshold. If the stock were to fall below the threshold, it would be considered overfished, requiring the development of a rebuilding plan to reduce fishing mortality and rebuild stock biomass. These results appear to be driven largely by below-average recruitment, an underestimation of the fishing mortality level in the last years of the assessment, and declining biomass indices. The assessment update indicates the stock experienced six below-average year classes from 2010 to 2015. Additionally, indices of abundance from state and federal surveys have indicated declines in abundance ranging from 9 to 97% from their most recent peaks (generally 2009 to 2012). The 2016 assessment update estimated biomass has been trending down since 2010. Summer flounder harvest limits for 2018 may be adjusted in the future based on changes in the fishery or new scientific information.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought I read here actually, that almost all the 20 inch and larger fluke are female. Now if we are only allowed to fish for 18 inch and greater wouldn't that mean we are basically harvesting all the females and very few males? It only makes sense that if we are taking all the females then it really leaves no fish to reproduce and build the stock up.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. I thought I read here actually, that almost all the 20 inch and larger fluke are female. Now if we are only allowed to fish for 18 inch and greater wouldn't that mean we are basically harvesting all the females and very few males? It only makes sense that if we are taking all the females then it really leaves no fish to reproduce and build the stock up.
No, it means that almost all of what we are catching are females. There is still a biomass of females far greater than the biomass that we had at the recent twenty year low biomass, which was able to rebuild the fishery in a short time period. Perhaps we're simply trying to grow eighty tomato plants in a fifty tomato plant plot...
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Old 09-13-2016, 03:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Default Better Science Needed !

A grassroots organization called Save the Summer Flounder Fishery Fund (SSFFF) is hoping that better data could improve the stock assessment models before the cuts are implemented.

The group, which formed seven years ago when the fluke fishery appeared in danger of a shutdown and funded research that caused managers to reevaluate their numbers, is currently funding independent fishery scientists with the goal of creating a more comprehensive fluke stock assessment model.

“This proposed cut is precisely why the research currently being conducted by teams from Rutgers and Cornell with full funding from SSFFF and its partners is so important,” said Nick Cicero, Sales Manager at Folsom Corporation and a founding member of SSFFF. “The new stock modeling information the project will deliver should help NOAA Fisheries managers make decisions based on more comprehensive and timely information than is currently available. We sincerely hope that NOAA Fisheries can put off the proposed cuts till they conduct and peer review a new fluke stock assessment.” ‎
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A grassroots organization called Save the Summer Flounder Fishery Fund (SSFFF) is hoping that better data could improve the stock assessment models before the cuts are implemented.

The group, which formed seven years ago when the fluke fishery appeared in danger of a shutdown and funded research that caused managers to reevaluate their numbers, is currently funding independent fishery scientists with the goal of creating a more comprehensive fluke stock assessment model.

“This proposed cut is precisely why the research currently being conducted by teams from Rutgers and Cornell with full funding from SSFFF and its partners is so important,” said Nick Cicero, Sales Manager at Folsom Corporation and a founding member of SSFFF. “The new stock modeling information the project will deliver should help NOAA Fisheries managers make decisions based on more comprehensive and timely information than is currently available. We sincerely hope that NOAA Fisheries can put off the proposed cuts till they conduct and peer review a new fluke stock assessment.” ‎
Even though, I think the assessment model is varying from reality, I don't think a new model is in the cards.
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No, it means that almost all of what we are catching are females. There is still a biomass of females far greater than the biomass that we had at the recent twenty year low biomass, which was able to rebuild the fishery in a short time period. Perhaps we're simply trying to grow eighty tomato plants in a fifty tomato plant plot...
Gotta love your analogies...
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For summer flounder, both groups (MAFMC & ASMFC) approved a commercial quota of 5.66 million pounds and a recreational harvest limit of 3.77 million pounds for 2017, an approximate 30% decrease from 2016. This decrease in catch and landings limits responds to the findings of the 2016 stock assessment update, which indicates summer flounder has been experiencing overfishing since 2008. In 2015, fishing mortality exceeded its threshold by 26% (i.e., the level beyond which overfishing is occurring). The 2015 estimate of spawning stock biomass (SSB) is at 58% of the biomass target, and only 16% above the threshold. If the stock were to fall below the threshold, it would be considered overfished, requiring the development of a rebuilding plan to reduce fishing mortality and rebuild stock biomass. These results appear to be driven largely by below-average recruitment, an underestimation of the fishing mortality level in the last years of the assessment, and declining biomass indices. The assessment update indicates the stock experienced six below-average year classes from 2010 to 2015. Additionally, indices of abundance from state and federal surveys have indicated declines in abundance ranging from 9 to 97% from their most recent peaks (generally 2009 to 2012). The 2016 assessment update estimated biomass has been trending down since 2010. Summer flounder harvest limits for 2018 may be adjusted in the future based on changes in the fishery or new scientific information.
It might be time for civil disobedience on a massive scale. There is no good science available. There is just politics.
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It might be time for civil disobedience on a massive scale. There is no good science available. There is just politics.
Civil disobedience, LOL.......let me know how that works for ya, and for how long.
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Old 10-06-2016, 11:35 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Default Congress Members Push for Summer Flounder Assessment

New Gretna, NJ - In a bipartisan letter submitted to Assistant Administrator for Fisheries Eileen Sobeck on Thursday, members of the House of Representatives stressed the importance of scheduling a benchmark assessment for summer flounder in 2017. Citing the socioeconomic value of the commercial and recreational summer flounder fishery and the looming quota reductions proposed for 2017 and 2018 due in part to a lack of data, Rep. Tom MacArthur and 4 other representatives indicate that any delay in the assessment of summer flounder "would be a major mistake and threaten the health of the summer flounder population as well as the economy of the communities the fishery supports."

At issue are the findings of the 2016 assessment update which indicate that a 30% reduction to the 2017 summer flounder total allowable catch (TAC) was required based on predicted low recruitment and spawning stock biomass (SSB) relative to the SSB target. These findings were driven by the results of the 2013 summer flounder benchmark assessment which utilized an out-dated stock assessment modeling approach. If unchanged, the resulting 2017 TAC will be one of the lowest quotas in the management history of the summer flounder fishery.

A benchmark assessment is needed in 2017 so better assessment techniques that are now available can be used to assess both male and female summer flounder independently based on their different life history characteristics. A sex-specific assessment approach can better predict the stock size/recruitment relationship and other biological reference points. Also, biological data on male and female summer flounder gathered primarily from the recreational fishery over the past two years must be inserted into the stock assessment. Doing so would close significant data gaps which produce uncertainty in the current assessment and further reduces available quota.

"It is imperative that the benchmark assessment is scheduled for 2017 as a benchmark assessment is the only opportunity to incorporate new data sources as well as utilize a different modeling approach developed by Dr. Pat Sullivan under a multiple year science program directed and funded by Save the Summer Flounder Fishery Fund (SSFFF)," explained Greg Hueth, Chairman of SSFFF. "If not, both the commercial and recreational industry are going to be in big trouble over the next few years due to the reductions that NOAA is proposing. "

"We appreciate Mr. MacArthur taking the lead on this issue and understanding the need and urgency to improve the science used to set annual fishing limits for fisheries such as summer flounder," stated Jim Donofrio, Executive Director of the RFA. "The industry has made considerable investment in fieldwork and data analysis to address many of the deficiencies in the stock assessment for summer flounder. It is our hope that NOAA Fisheries acknowledges this work and recognizes the importance of scheduling a benchmark assessment for summer flounder in 2017 in light of the significant quota reductions proposed for 2017 and 2018."
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