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Old 04-08-2011, 04:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Here are a bunch of photos of her when it first happened.
The sails are still up

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Old 04-08-2011, 08:57 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I went with Jim Reynolds to look at this job. It's certainly doable from the water. We would have needed to dewater her, and get the sand out of her. There was one small split in a seam, and a nice eighth inch hole from corrosion, so she's not very sound. But she would have come off, just a matter of horsepower and man power. Several ways to approach it, depending on the horsepower and nuber of vessels available. Keeping her afloat afterwards wouldn't be a problem. But, in this last picture, it seems possible that she bent or broke. Although the waist simply may have laid out from sand loading and scouring. The time I spent there, the sand was very alive, at one time filling the deck and tight around the hull, then the deck was clean, and the wheel was clear. I pulled one with a deeper keel off Barrett two years ago, with my boat.

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Old 04-08-2011, 11:43 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Just to clarify, it's the thread that I just saw. We were on scene the day it went up, and the next day.

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Old 04-09-2011, 02:32 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Old 04-09-2011, 02:36 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Happens alot especially around Breezy Point seen it a few time's guys sail straight over the Jetty ,,, or the Suicide Jetty by the Verrizono ...

Its a real cool wreck though looks like a fish tank thingy
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Old 04-09-2011, 07:06 PM   #36 (permalink)
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CaptPaul wrote:
I went with Jim Reynolds to look at this job. It's certainly doable from the water. We would have needed to dewater her, and get the sand out of her. There was one small split in a seam, and a nice eighth inch hole from corrosion, so she's not very sound. But she would have come off, just a matter of horsepower and man power. Several ways to approach it, depending on the horsepower and nuber of vessels available. Keeping her afloat afterwards wouldn't be a problem. But, in this last picture, it seems possible that she bent or broke. Although the waist simply may have laid out from sand loading and scouring. The time I spent there, the sand was very alive, at one time filling the deck and tight around the hull, then the deck was clean, and the wheel was clear. I pulled one with a deeper keel off Barrett two years ago, with my boat.

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what about welding the seam and a patch over the corrosion ?? she could probably make it to dock to be hauled
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Old 04-09-2011, 10:19 PM   #37 (permalink)
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A couple of seams and holes aren't an issue. I wouldn't even mind dewatering/desanding her, dragging her into a couple feet of water, patching her, then refloating her fully, if the sea conditions permitted. Otherwise, a couple of two or three inch pumps hung in the rigging during the refloat will keep up with an awful lot of water. The only reason I mentioned the split seam and corrossion, is because a steel boat like that shouldn't have split a seam, and the corrossion is the reason why it happened. That means that she may fail during the the refloat. But when we looked at her, I think there wouldn't have been a problem. The only thing that stopped us was lack of an agreement.

Looking at the last picture on the full sized computer instead of the Black Berry, she's not broken, it's just the aspect with the sail arrangement.
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Old 04-10-2011, 08:27 AM   #38 (permalink)
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MakoMike wrote:
I didn't say it was "finders keepers" but there is a right of salvage, sea tow uses it all the time. [img]ubicon8.gif[/img] Its particularly applicable in this case since the ship is in danger of becoming a total loss. I forget what the % is, but in a case like this the salvor can claim a substantial potion of the Fair Market Value of the floating vessel as compensation.

As Mike says, salvage doesn't mean you can take someone's vessel. It defines the scope of the project, usually a condition of immediate peril to the vessel, or environment. Some insurance companies negotiate salvage fees. There is, popularly, the Llloyd's Open Form, which is most often used for "no cure, no pay," and that is where the fee is based upon the value of the vessel and it's cargo, usually twenty-five percent.

Alternately, there is a Special Compensation clause, which becomes payable to the salver when he has prevented or minimized damage to the environment, but the value of the salved property is insufficient to provide for a normal salvage award.

Anyway, salvers do things accoeding to their own policy. Many only work on the "No cure, no pay" clause on the LOF, whereas others may very well work on a day or hourly rate, either all inclusive(Very high rate), or based on crew and equipment. In this case, it may be possible to get away cheaper, but of they decide they have exhausted their possibilities, they can walk away, leave the vessel in peril, and they are still due payment.

Between the Incorporated Village of Saltaire, and the Fire Island National Seashore, that boat will be removed, and they will not pay a dime in the process, except for lawyers.

Lesson today- Get hull insurance.


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Old 04-10-2011, 08:35 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Paul,
What happened to the sailboat in the thumb?
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Old 04-10-2011, 09:38 PM   #40 (permalink)
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Don't worry about that. It's on an agenda.

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