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Old 10-10-2002, 09:46 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The Inside Word on Bearings

Written "The East Coast Newell Man"


Here on the East Coast, where we had the largest party boat fleet on the east coast, we see many Newell's come in for service. It seems that ever since Newell went from their original superior, open bearing (one side without a shield) to the now standard cheaper full shielded bearing, many have complained, and wanted a, 1) longer lasting, and 2) better performing bearing. We now have in stock a number of bearings that are of a higher quality then any bearing put into a Newell by the factory today.

Every reel manufacturer loves to say that they use ABEC precision bearings. But what does it mean, and how does that compare to a non-ABEC rated bearing?

Simply ABEC is a acronym for the "Annular Bearing Engineers Committee". They establish the standards, which are displayed in tables, expressing bearing tolerances. These tables give us the bore diameter of the bearings, width tolerances, and other ratings. It also shows us the difference in tolerances between a bearing rated at ABEC-1 through 3, 5, 7 and finally the highest ABEC-9. Other tables give us the 'load' the bearing is rated and designed for and the life, at which a bearing will show signs of fatigue. This as you can see is just a very rudimentary explanation of what comprises the ABEC rating system.

How does a non-ABEC rated bearing compare to a ABEC rated one? What are the differences? The difference between the two is due to the closer tolerances in the making of ABEC bearings.

ABEC rated bearings have their 'races' cut to finer tolerances, and the balls within the bearing, are ground to more exact tolerances. Considering that these measurements are in thousands, you are talking about very minute, but important distinctions.

Knowing this, where does it leave us as far as ABEC rated bearings for fishing reels? The promotion by reel manufacturers that they are using ABEC rated bearings within there product, is ridiculous. ABEC bearings are designed to be used by machines in such industries as garment, machine tool, nuclear etc... machines where precision measurements are a must. High and continuous revolutions over a prolonged period of time under sometimes heavy loads, are what ABEC rated bearings are used for. Standard fit bearings are adequate for fishing reels, since revolutions made when casting, are far below what even a standard bearing is rated for. Loads in bearings used for fishing, would not even be considered. When buying a bearing one must find out what material the bearing is made from. Most bearings are made out of steel, while better bearings are made out of 440c stainless steel. There are many ABEC rated bearings that are made from standard 400 grade steel. These will of course be cheaper then there stainless equivalents. Other considerations would be the addition of a rubber seal/neoprene seal to the bearing to keep impurities out and the lubrication in. [Regular bearings are made from chrome alloy steel]

So where does that leave you, the fishermen, with his grinding factory, Newell bearings? First you must consider how you use and take care of your reels. If you neglect your equipment and do not clean it regularly, consider a 'rubber' sealed stainless bearing. This does not have to be ABEC rated, but in most cases, will be. These will give you prolonged life. If you use your reel more for casting jigs then bait fishing, consider the open bearing (without shield) where you add the lubrication directly to the balls within the bearing. These definitely do not have to be ABEC rated. Remember that the standard bearing have looser tolerances and thus can possibly attain higher revolutions. Light oils, while great for casting distance, will spin out after a trip. Maintenance is a must.

Bearings stuck within Newell bearing cups, have become a problem for many years. I mentioned those standard steel bearings, that Newell has been sticking in his reels since he discontinued the open bearings. Well these rust into a cup over time. Also Newell, who always talks about his tight tolerances, has manufactured many bearing cups that required a little pressure to get the bearing into the cup. Nice and snug going in, a horror to remove. Now they are frozen, with no chance of coming out.

First prevention is the best thing here. If you have a tight bearing cup, get a dremel tool, and dremel the inside of the cup so the bearing slides in and out. Add lubrication like a light machine oil before you put the bearing into the cup. If you get a stuck bearing, try a pointed tool with a slight bend at the tip to pull the bearing out. Sometimes a heavy duty paper clip bent at the end is a effective and cheap tool. You could also soak the bearing in a penetrating oil to loosen the bearing. This sometimes works. If the bearing comes half way out, sometimes you can get some thin needle nose pliers and pull the rest of the bearing out of the cup. If you have one of those frozen, not moving bearings, then the best thing I have found is to heat the cup with the bearing inside.

Hold the cup with pliers and place the cup over the stove and heat. Usually after a few minutes, and with the sharp pointed instrument you should have, the bearing should come out. If you do not care about the bearing, you can break the outer shield on top of the bearing, and then pull the rest of the shield out.

So if your bearings need to be replaced, consider how you maintain your reels, and what you use your reel for, before you factor in price. In the long run, a quality bearing will pay for itself many times over. Good luck
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Old 10-10-2002, 10:45 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Old 10-10-2002, 05:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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THNX TOGMASTER

I'm buying a new tog+ outfit for the sheepshead bay party boats this winter and, based on the recomendations of you guys, decided a Newell's the way to go. So what's this with bearing replacement? Should I replace them before I fish the reel? Will it really improve performance? And where do I get new bearings? Thanks again for all the great posts!
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Old 10-10-2002, 06:03 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The newer Newells have sealed bearings which do not need oil or grease! Try your reel and if it works fine leave it! Don't bother with the bearings unless they make noise or prevent the free spool from going out smoothly. Also you must realize the Newell with its light design has a very hollow sound to it. Many people think this nosie is a problem but it is just the normal sound of the echo in the side plates. The only noise you should worry about is a clicking sound when in free spool or when cranking in. other wise use it and don't worry about it you'll love them . If you plan on fishing in shore go with a 229 3:6 for tog its a great choice!
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When you first get your newell or any other reel, open the reel up, pull out the bearings, and remove the factory grease. WD-40 is perfect for cleaning bearings. Their are a number of light lubricants, but the best i have found for all around general use are:
1)REEL-X
2)Super Lube (teflon based)
3)3 in 1>>>light machine oil

Their are a number of other products, and yes we can get as exotic as rocket fuel and other very light lubricants. But remember, the lighter the lubricant the faster they will spin out of the bearings.

Newell uses a standard bearing for their reels. They will not last more then a few seasons (if you service them constantly during the year) under heavy use. If you want to find better bearings then the ones you have in your current newell, contact Rich at QBC. Their web address is:

http://www.qbcbearings.com/

Just give them these specifications:

OD: .3750
ID: .1250

440c/ABEC 5

Unlike bearings from Newell which will run close to 9 dollars, QBC will sell you a AMERICAN EQUIVALENT, for less then 4 bucks, which is many times better then what comes from the factory.

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Too cool...waiting for my new Newell to be delivered today
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EC,
Thanks for the great info, is there somewhere online with diagrams that one coule followwhile opening up there Newell. I recently purchased the S229 and would like to take your recommendations and replace the bearings

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Old 10-16-2002, 02:07 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Got my new S 332-5. What modifications should I do to this reel? It also came with a bag of some loose parts like a red plastic washer, a pin, etc...any idea of what they are for? Any and all help would be appreciated.
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Old 10-16-2002, 03:32 PM   #9 (permalink)
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My brand new Newell also came with a bag of loose parts. Any idea as to what they are for? I used the reel already and it performed flawlessly.

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Old 10-16-2002, 03:43 PM   #10 (permalink)
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All Newells have a diagram for the reel. The extra parts sent are usually grease, bearing spacers and rubbers for the handle. If your not sure just look at the diagram and find the part and you will see where it goes. The parts they give you are replacements encase you need them. It does not mean you will need them but good to have if needed.
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